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I saw today that my CoCalc (cocalc.com/) license was about to renew. I've been meaning to move to a more #SelfHosting or #P2P paradigm, so this was good timing for me to cancel. I left this message when doing so:

"I want to support Sage, and I like using CoCalc, but I don't want to put money towards a service that supports Microsoft, Amazon, or OpenAI in any way. I didn't care so much about this before, and I even log in to CoCalc with a GitHub account, but I'm tired of having my work scraped for profit by people who donate to fascists who are destroying my nation. I would consider returning if all ties to these corporations were cut and cloud computing services came from responsible companies, perhaps in the EU."

I'm pretty sure I already have backups of everything I want from GitHub, so I can be done with them too. I should have quit when Microsoft first arrived. My plan is to switch to Radicle (radicle.xyz/) rather than another centralized service. I'll be sure to post about how that goes.

cocalc.comCollaborative Calculation and Data ScienceCoCalc landing pages and documentation
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Hello hello Jamers 😎

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* #OpenSource
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* App store, Play store (coming soon)
* Desktop
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* run `index.html` on any modern #browser
* #Decentralized
* #Secure
* #NoCookies
* #P2P #encrypted
* No registration
* No installing
* #Messaging
* Group Messaging (coming soon)
* Text Messaging
* #Multimedia Messaging
* #Screensharing (on desktop browsers)
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* #VideoCalls
* #DataOwnership
* #SelfHosted
* GitHub pages Hosting
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(Degoogled links to the apps)
- Chat: chat.positive-intentions.com
- File: file.positive-intentions.com
- GitHub: github.com/positive-intentions

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@1br0wn

Better maybe, but relying on European values and regulation carries risk. Look at UK, look at others in the EU, look at how well lobbying works against both.

Where possible we need to create infrastructure that embodies these freedoms and protections so they cannot be circumvented, to give alternatives when other options begin to fail. Thid can be done through tech which empowers, such as decentralisation through #p2p rather than #fedi.

@TheProgressives

I have made a release of "git-withme" which allows peer-to-peer Git usage over #magicWormhole

This uses short, human-memorable codes to invite peers to collaborate (push, pull, etc) in real-time on a Git repository with no external hosting providers. Creates a temporary bare repository on the host so it feels like GitLab style usage.

"pip install git-withme" or see the project pages:

git.sr.ht/~meejah/git-withme

pypi.org/project/git-withme/

@jonny

> If i was designing a #P2P protocol

Bit of OT thought.. All these #LocalFirst projects are inventing their own sync mechanisms now, and Martin Kleppmann talks about trend towards having a 'generic sync' protocol as an open standard. But no moves are made yet in that direction.

I have trouble wrapping my head how that'd work in a heterogeneous social network with many actors, apps and composable services. Do we CRDT sync local states directly, or rely on a msg/event-based architecture?

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quoting myself, bittorrent is like the Hegel of #P2P, it is the simplest protocol i am aware of that is quite literally just the core of the idea as a spec and then decades of history, culture, and practice crusted on top of it. hashes of chunks of data overlaid on top of the data itself to facilitate sharing it. that's it. i am a peer. i have heard of some data via its hash. i ask around for that data. i get it and check it against the hash. end of algorithm. Yes yes, choking algorithms, trackers, transport protocols, holepunching, but that's implementation details.

You can't think about P2P without taking some implicit or explicit disposition towards bittorrent because it's such a pure expression of the idea. An analogous argument is that you can't really implement a P2P protocol without accidentally making it in some way (maybe through a few steps) compatible with bittorrent. v2 makes that bar almost zero by just being literally a set of per-file merkle trees. you can just ignore the .torrent file entirely and deal with the trees directly, all you need to do is understand when someone asks for hashes at a specific level of the tree.

If i was designing a P2P protocol, which i always am in some part of my being, I would start from bittorrent v2 and branch out from there. Being able to talk to a bittorrent client is so trivial it's almost an afterthought, an afternoon of writing udp packing and unpacking functions. If you ignore the rest of the lessons like the obvious UX affordance of having a thing to trade around like .torrent files, magnet links which are an identifier and a non-definitive starting point for resolving it, trackers which are a means of coordinating the swarm, you're just throwing away an entire generation of practical experience

Neuromatch Socialjonny (good kind) (@jonny@neuromatch.social)(Also obviously I am eliding all the other decisions bittorrent makes that make that possible and ways that it doesnt work. trackers are a great idea both technically and socially, even if the tracker model is direly in need of an update. Trackers are nucleating hubs that make recognizable communities, end user search systems, and reduce the complexity of peer routing by a billion times. Omitting another hundred pages on the sociotechnological economy of bittorrent, but bittorrent is like the Hegel of p2p - you can't do p2p without reconciling your disposition towards bittorrent)

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@joxean @n0iroh @delta

willowprotocol.org

There is also github.com/n0-computer/iroh-wi which is under construction and based on the #Willow protocol. This is also a foundational #p2p technology, which received funding by @nlnet under the EU Horizons #NGI0 programs, to evolve their specifications.

Willow contains among others a specification for support of object capabilities, called Meadowcap, which is very interesting.

willowprotocol.org/specs/meado

willowprotocol.orgWillow Specifications - WillowProtocols for synchronisable data stores. The best parts? Fine-grained permissions, a keen approach to privacy, destructive edits, and a dainty bandwidth and memory footprint.